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Dec 20, 2023 21:34:04 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 20, 2023 21:34:04 GMT -5
Their is still so much to explain away tho. I dont know if all has a rational answer. I know we don't have all the answers, which is why it's interesting. I did acknowledge I had a lot more to add, though. I just got started.
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Dec 22, 2023 0:38:45 GMT -5
Post by bob on Dec 22, 2023 0:38:45 GMT -5
I think I'm in the same boat with Yeti. I find the topic of ghosts and other paranormal things interesting but I haven't been made a believer. There are a lot of things I find difficult to explain however but with modern technology it's harder to believe anything people record.
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Dec 22, 2023 11:29:15 GMT -5
Post by camila on Dec 22, 2023 11:29:15 GMT -5
What about EVP recordings?
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Dec 22, 2023 13:41:39 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 22, 2023 13:41:39 GMT -5
What about EVP recordings? It would be one thing if EVP recordings said stuff as recorded but typically, if not always, paranormal researchers have to tinker with the recordings to get it to sound like something. They're editing, manipulating, the recordings. Then they interpret the sounds. "Did you hear that? It said 'Get out!'" Did it? It also sounded like "That couch" or "licorice" or perhaps someone clearing their throat.
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Dec 23, 2023 13:14:43 GMT -5
Post by Large Marge on Dec 23, 2023 13:14:43 GMT -5
What about EVP recordings? pretend i dont know what that is. whats that?
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Dec 23, 2023 17:59:50 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 23, 2023 17:59:50 GMT -5
What about EVP recordings? pretend i dont know what that is. whats that? "EVP" stands for Electronic Voice Phenomena. Ghost hunters use various devices to detect alleged ghosts and/or to record images or sounds. EVPs are sounds recorded but not heard at the time they were recorded. Normally the audio is amplified and/or manipulated (edited) to sound like voices. The investigators then typically try to make out what is supposedly being said.
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Dec 24, 2023 11:25:20 GMT -5
Post by camila on Dec 24, 2023 11:25:20 GMT -5
Alright so they're edited but where do the sounds come from?
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Dec 24, 2023 16:58:42 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 24, 2023 16:58:42 GMT -5
Alright so they're edited but where do the sounds come from? Good question, and I won't claim to be an expert at electronics. I'm not qualified to speculate about the sources for random white noise picked up by recording devices. Even regular Joes know we're surrounded by radio waves, microwaves, magnetic fields, and whatnot zipping all around us, so I wouldn't be surprised if the answer involves those. When I was a kid, our old televisions displayed static scribbles if you weren't on a channel receiving a broadcast, and what we're seeing is a remnant from the birth of the universe; specifically, cosmic microwave background radiation.
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Dec 24, 2023 19:27:00 GMT -5
Post by Paladin on Dec 24, 2023 19:27:00 GMT -5
Some ghost hunters say the reason ghosts haven't been proven real is that we lack the right technology to detect the spirit realm.
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Dec 25, 2023 0:23:49 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 25, 2023 0:23:49 GMT -5
Some ghost hunters say the reason ghosts haven't been proven real is that we lack the right technology to detect the spirit realm. The problem with that is that either ghosts exist in our world and are detectable or they're not. If people ever see them, feel them, or hear them, then they're detectable by human senses, which means they're detectable to technology. If technology can't detect them, then neither can our eyes or ears. People allegedly have photos, videos, and audio recordings of them, and if that's possible then that means they were detectable by technology. The argument that we don't have the technical capability to detect them means suggesting that we can detect them for crappy photos of ghost blobs but simultaneously we can't detect them. They need to pick a story and stick with it. Edit: I'm bunny-trailing a bit now but why is it, here in the US, that at least 99.9%, if not 100%, of ghosts are of people between colonial America to present? Natives lived here for thousands of years before anyone came here from Europe so it seems like there should be heaps of native ghosts, but it's all post-America ghosts. Natives don't have spirits? Why are 99.999% of ghosts human? If they're souls because you believe in God and him giving us souls that He didn't give animals, that makes ghosts religious rather than scientific, but I'm taught that I die and go to heaven or heck (word filter) but ghosts mean I can defy God and choose to hang out on Earth instead. If ghosts aren't a religious thing then their spirits should be natural and not be limited to humans. Other critters exponentially outnumber humans, not even factoring in a billion years of life before humans. Where are all the horse ghosts, dog ghosts, mastodon ghosts, frog ghosts, beetle ghosts, and dinosaur ghosts?
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Dec 25, 2023 4:26:07 GMT -5
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Post by bob on Dec 25, 2023 4:26:07 GMT -5
Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel about ghosts.
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Dec 26, 2023 0:16:56 GMT -5
Post by Jörmungandr on Dec 26, 2023 0:16:56 GMT -5
To be scientific. Einstein said energy cant be created or destroyed. If souls are energy than that energy cant be destroyed and could keep on going after death right?
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Dec 26, 2023 4:07:03 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 26, 2023 4:07:03 GMT -5
To be scientific. Einstein said energy cant be created or destroyed. If souls are energy than that energy cant be destroyed and could keep on going after death right? It's true, he did say energy can't be created or destroyed. However, it can be transferred or converted. For example, in a nuclear weapon, a mass of material becomes somewhat less of another element, and the difference is released as energy. Energy can also be passed from object to object and atom to atom. If you have a glass of warm soda and cool it with ice, the ice is cool the soda but the soda is warming the ice, which is why it melts. Warmth from the soda was transferred to the ice, decreasing the temperature of the soda but increasing that of the ice. Getting that out of the way, the argument about souls and energy makes and relies on two assumptions: 1) The existence of souls 2) That souls are energy Neither of these are confirmed facts. Assuming for a moment that both were accurate, I see no reason to assume that soul energy would cease to be bound within the body after death. If the soul was bound to the body in life, why wouldn't the same processes keep it bound to the body after death?
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Dec 26, 2023 10:17:29 GMT -5
Post by camila on Dec 26, 2023 10:17:29 GMT -5
Maybe it's the souls that make us alive and when the soul leaves the body loses the energy that animates it and it dies? I don't know.
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Dec 26, 2023 11:47:01 GMT -5
Post by Yeti on Dec 26, 2023 11:47:01 GMT -5
Maybe it's the souls that make us alive and when the soul leaves the body loses the energy that animates it and it dies? I don't know. One problem here is humans aren't the only living things. Deer, elephants, bears, cockroaches, snakes, and fish are alive, but do they require souls to be alive? If so, where are all their quintillions of ghosts? Plants are also alive, so would they require souls to be alive? If life is tied to having a soul and you die when your soul leaves, why would it just abruptly leave at all? Couldn't the soul just hang out indefinitely, keeping you alive indefinitely? What binds a soul to a specific body in the first place? What stops a soul from abruptly leaving one body and migrating to another body, or arbitrarily leaving a body and then returning?
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