|
|
Post by Yeti on Nov 25, 2023 4:05:20 GMT -5
One thing people think of about Batman is he doesn't kill his foes. From my experience with the movies, games, cartoons, and comic books, that's generally true. However, in the Tim Burton films he absolutely killed the crap out of people. In the 1989 film, he drives into Axis Chemicals and blows the whole place up, including everyone in in. He dropped bombs at the feet of some goons, so they were inches away when the bombs blew them into mist. Of course, we don't directly see them die, but nobody watching the scene would argue that they didn't die.
|
|
|
|
Post by Large Marge on Nov 25, 2023 9:07:43 GMT -5
i never thought about that but your right.
|
|
|
|
Post by camila on Nov 25, 2023 11:37:22 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen the Burton films.
|
|
|
|
Post by Yeti on Nov 26, 2023 0:49:05 GMT -5
I don't think I've seen the Burton films. 😲 |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 20:17:56 GMT -5
Batman gets the seal of approval from Wicca.  |
|
|
|
Post by Yeti on Nov 26, 2023 20:47:42 GMT -5
I'm fine with Batman killing the bad guys. People seem to forget he did it, though, at least in a couple films.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2023 21:26:47 GMT -5
Life is *NOT* sacred depending on who does the killing. As a civilian you go to jail and are condemned. As a soldier you get a medal and are called a hero.
|
|
bob
Full Member
Posts: 187
|
Post by bob on Nov 27, 2023 2:40:41 GMT -5
Life is *NOT* sacred depending on who does the killing. As a civilian you go to jail and are condemned. As a soldier you get a medal and are called a hero. I think that depends on the circumstances. If a soldiers kills enemy combatants they're a hero but if a soldier kills a civilian because they took their parking space, the soldier would go to jail. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 9:05:39 GMT -5
Life is *NOT* sacred depending on who does the killing. As a civilian you go to jail and are condemned. As a soldier you get a medal and are called a hero. I think that depends on the circumstances. If a soldiers kills enemy combatants they're a hero but if a soldier kills a civilian because they took their parking space, the soldier would go to jail. What if a soldier kills a defenseless civilian while in battle and calls it "collateral damage"? Is he a hero or a murderer? |
|
|
|
Post by camila on Nov 27, 2023 11:56:21 GMT -5
I think that depends on the circumstances. If a soldiers kills enemy combatants they're a hero but if a soldier kills a civilian because they took their parking space, the soldier would go to jail. What if a soldier kills a defenseless civilian while in battle and calls it "collateral damage"? Is he a hero or a murderer? Neutral, I would think. I mean, they aren't going to get a medal for it. They'd prefer it didn't happen. Usually they wouldn't knowingly kill civilians, though we did nuke a couple cities in Japan and we knew there were plenty of civilians there. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2023 15:05:08 GMT -5
What if a soldier kills a defenseless civilian while in battle and calls it "collateral damage"? Is he a hero or a murderer? Neutral, I would think. I mean, they aren't going to get a medal for it. They'd prefer it didn't happen. Usually they wouldn't knowingly kill civilians, though we did nuke a couple cities in Japan and we knew there were plenty of civilians there. Tell me are the soldiers of the Israeli army who have killed 15,000 citizens of Gaza including 5,000 children, heroes or murderers? Or is it all just a case of them being "neutral"? |
|
|
|
Post by Bruce Partington-Plans on Nov 30, 2023 12:41:58 GMT -5
Having grown up with them I love the Burton Batman films (although the Nolanverse trilogy is good too) but Yeti is right, there are occasions in both film series where Batman "kills" people - although I would rather make the distinction that he allows [bad] people to die. {Spoiler} (he even says as much to the villain at the end of Batman Begins - "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"). That's to say, in Yeti's example, it's not his fault that the bad guys are in Axis Chemicals when the Batmobile drives in and blows the place up - they chose a life of crime and could have got out of there before the bombs dropped instead of trying to shoot up an obviously armoured car   . What Batman absolutely does not do because of what happened to his parents is use a gun but I agree that does not equate to never killing or allowing someone to die.
To be honest I'd never thought of the Axis Chemicals scene in Batman when reconciling the fact that people do die in the films - I always tend to think of this scene in Batman Returns:
|
|
|
|
Post by Bruce Partington-Plans on Nov 30, 2023 12:43:40 GMT -5
Batman gets the seal of approval from Wicca. I'm happy (and totally unsurprised) to hear it!    |
|
|
|
Post by Jörmungandr on Nov 30, 2023 17:33:03 GMT -5
Having grown up with them I love the Burton Batman films (although the Nolanverse trilogy is good too) but Yeti is right, there are occasions in both film series where Batman "kills" people - although I would rather make the distinction that he allows [bad] people to die. {Spoiler} (he even says as much to the villain at the end of Batman Begins - "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you"). That's to say, in Yeti's example, it's not his fault that the bad guys are in Axis Chemicals when the Batmobile drives in and blows the place up - they chose a life of crime and could have got out of there before the bombs dropped instead of trying to shoot up an obviously armoured car . What Batman absolutely does not do because of what happened to his parents is use a gun but I agree that does not equate to never killing or allowing someone to die.
To be honest I'd never thought of the Axis Chemicals scene in Batman when reconciling the fact that people do die in the films - I always tend to think of this scene in Batman Returns: Thats a good example. Never thought about that one. He grinned when he knew he killed a guy. |
|
. What Batman absolutely does not do because of what happened to his parents is use a gun but I agree that does not equate to never killing or allowing someone to die.
